President Biden's incompetency, disastrous economy and radical platform have left many moderate Democrats looking to the Republican Party for the first time.

Florida's Republican Governor Ron DeSantis has had proven successes in fighting lockdowns and wokeism, and he could be a very attractive offer if he runs in 2024.

Lionel Shriver sits down with The Telegraph's Steven Edginton to discuss the state of American politics in the latest Off Script podcast.

Watch the full episode above or listen on your podcast app by searching "Off Script".

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